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		<title>DL390: Alana G of YardBarker On BwB3 and Blog Ethics</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan Levy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Last week, we talked with Brian Cook of MGoBlog about the panel at Blogs with Balls that focused on ethics. Go back and listen to that show, but the long and short of it was the issue that, well, some blogs don't have any ethics and it dumbs down the entire industry for the readers and hurts the rest of us who do have ethics. (There's a lot more to it, but that's the gist, and most of that centers around the tete-a-tete with Spencer Hall of SB Nation and Jason McIntyre of The Big Lead.

<img class="alignright" style="margin: 10px;" title="BwB3" src="http://www.yardbarker.com/media/4/1/4116e4829c28ce881b8c042423cca025e5bc422f/xl/bwb_panel_screen.jpg" alt="" width="347" height="195" /><a href="http://alanag.yardbarker.com/blog/AlanaG/I_raped_the_Blogs_With_Balls_legalethics_panel_allegedly/2705995" target="_blank">Alana Nguyen from YardBarker</a> was on that panel, and took a lot of heat -- including from me and Cook -- about her comment asking, ostensibly, why a blog has to have ethics if they don't want to. Specifically, Alana commented on Josh Zerkle's decision not to run a story because he didn't want to run it without checking the facts first, to which Alana asked why it's not okay to write the rumor, simply explaining it's a rumor and not verifying the validity. That, rightly, got people pretty upset, and spawned a lot of discussion, including much of what Cook and I discussed.

Today, Alana joins the show to give her side of the story. Keep in mind that ethics, especially when it comes to sports blogs, is a really gray area. Spencer's ethical issue with The Big Lead was the fact that they ran information that was made up and didn't bother to check out a source or independently confirm a story they received in an email. Other people sent me that what Spencer did in duping TBL -- albeit on April Fool's Day -- was unethical in its own right. So, as you can see, there are different kinds of ethics.

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<p>Last week, we talked with Brian Cook of MGoBlog about the panel at Blogs with Balls that focused on ethics. Go back and listen to that show, but the long and short of it was the issue that, well, some blogs don&#8217;t have any ethics and it dumbs down the entire industry for the readers and hurts the rest of us who do have ethics. (There&#8217;s a lot more to it, but that&#8217;s the gist, and most of that centers around the tete-a-tete with Spencer Hall of SB Nation and Jason McIntyre of The Big Lead.)</p>
<p><img class="alignright" style="margin: 10px;" title="BwB3" src="http://www.yardbarker.com/media/4/1/4116e4829c28ce881b8c042423cca025e5bc422f/xl/bwb_panel_screen.jpg" alt="" width="347" height="195" /><a href="http://alanag.yardbarker.com/blog/AlanaG/I_raped_the_Blogs_With_Balls_legalethics_panel_allegedly/2705995" target="_blank">Alana Nguyen from YardBarker</a> was on that panel, and took a lot of heat &#8212; including from me and Cook &#8212; about her comment asking, ostensibly, why a blog has to have ethics if they don&#8217;t want to. Specifically, Alana commented on Josh Zerkle&#8217;s decision not to do a story because he didn&#8217;t want to run it without checking the facts first, to which Alana asked why it&#8217;s not okay to write the rumor, simply explaining it&#8217;s a rumor and not verifying the validity. That, rightly, got people pretty upset, and spawned a lot of discussion, including much of what Cook and I discussed.</p>
<p>Today, Alana joins the show to give her side of the story. Keep in mind that ethics, especially when it comes to sports blogs, is a really gray area. Spencer&#8217;s ethical issue with The Big Lead was the fact that they ran information that was made up and didn&#8217;t bother to check out a source or independently confirm a story they received in an email. Other people sent me that what Spencer did in duping TBL &#8212; albeit on April Fool&#8217;s Day &#8212; was unethical in its own right. So, as you can see, there are different kinds of ethics.</p>
<p>Take, for example, a message someone sent me yesterday:</p>
<blockquote><p>• Look at this TBL headline:</p>
<p><a title="http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/06/09/bob-costas-compares-stephen-strasburg-to-walter-johnson-can-we-let-great-moments-breathe/" href="http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/06/09/bob-costas-compares-stephen-strasburg-to-walter-johnson-can-we-let-great-moments-breathe/">http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/06/09/bob-costas-compares-stephen-strasburg-to-walter-johnson-can-we-let-great-moments-breathe/</a></p>
<p>You said the EXACT same thing:</p>
<p><a title="http://twitter.com/OntheDLpodcast/status/15744978354" href="http://twitter.com/OntheDLpodcast/status/15744978354">http://twitter.com/OntheDLpodcast/status/15744978354</a></p>
<p><a title="http://twitter.com/OntheDLpodcast/status/15744978354" href="http://twitter.com/OntheDLpodcast/status/15744978354"></a>• The only reason i bring it up is because he copied your exact TSB column idea (i.e., assessing ESPN&#8217;s coverage of the World Cup) from yesterday:</p>
<p><a title="http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/06/14/2010-world-cup-assessing-espns-coverage/" href="http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/06/14/2010-world-cup-assessing-espns-coverage/">http://thebiglead.com/index.php/2010/06/14/2010-world-cup-assessing-espns-coverage/</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Is that unethical to steal from another blogger without credit? Or is it simply a coincidence? I&#8217;d venture to guess that the first one &#8211; the headline &#8211; was totally gripped from my tweet while the second &#8211; a look at ESPN&#8217;s coverage of the World Cup &#8211; is simply coincidence. Frankly, I&#8217;m not even upset about the second one being stolen from me, if it actually was, because while their post had countless more readers, mine was better. To me, it&#8217;s always been about the work.</p>
<p>But&#8230;you see how things can be taken in different ways. And yes, a blog that is no fan of mine may have ripped me off twice in less than a week. Pageviews for everyone! Ethics are clearly a gray area.</p>
<p>Alana and I talk a lot about the notion &#8212; put out by Spencer on Zerkle&#8217;s show &#8212; that there should be a standard for all blogs. I bring up a YardBarker site in SportsbyBrooks as a really weird gray area for sports blogs&#8230;and for YB&#8230;as to how to treat the whole &#8220;ethical standards&#8221; issue. We give our opinions on the show, but I&#8217;ll ask you, dear reader and listener, for your take on it in the comments.</p>
<p>The biggest issue seems to still be the fact that blog readers, mostly casual blog readers, aren&#8217;t given the credit to determine what&#8217;s good and what&#8217;s not. Obviously a lot of this stems from the fact that many of us are dumbfounded as to why sites like The Big Lead get the kind of traffic they do. Do readers REALLY not know there are thousands of other options out there? Do people still think there are only five sports blogs?</p>
<p>How do we change that?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot more to this show, and a lot of interesting internal YardBarker talk, specifically surrounding the gossipy items like Terez Owens&#8217; Delonte West-LeBron&#8217;s mom perpetuation. Hopefully worth your listen.</p>
<p>Thanks to Alana and to you.</p>
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		<title>DL384: Brian Cook of MGoBlog on BwB3 &amp; Blog Ethics</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 13:27:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dan Levy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian Cook of <a href="http://mgoblog.com" target="_blank">MGoBlog</a> and The Sporting Blog was on a panel at Blogs with Balls in Chicago. It was not the panel on ethics, but if you watch the video, his voice makes a cameo somewhere after Spencer Hall got into a little blog tete-a-tete with The Big Lead's Jason McIntyre. That's at the 24:00 mark (or thereabouts).

<img class="alignright" style="margin: 10px;" title="BWB" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/4679441894_04347df5e6.jpg" alt="" width="280" height="210" />Seriously, <a href="http://www.justin.tv/blogswithballs/b/264790409#r=YFqvBAE~&#38;s=li" target="_blank">watch the exchange between Jason and Spencer</a>, which spills into the rest of the panel and includes others in the crowd (including Cook). It will give you some context. Or, go to <a href="http://mgoblog.com/content/blogs-balls-3-big-leadedsbs-throwdown-transcript" target="_blank">MGoBlog as Cook transcribed the entire thing</a>.

Look, ethics are somewhat of a sliding scale, depending on the site, right? See, there are different kind of ethics. Spencer challenged McIntyre for his lack of ethics in checking sources and running a story based on a made up email and a cursory Google search on April Fool's Day. Spencer claims that illustrates The Big Lead's lack of ethics in checking sources and being a responsible journalist, making the case that other sites -- like SB Nation -- suffer when bigger blogs act so irresponsibly.

Cook and I discuss the flip side, as well. I got an email (from someone in the industry) asking me if I thought what SPENCER did was ethical at all? He made up a story and sent it to a rival site in hopes that story would be run, then used the ruse to prove his point that the site was unethical.

So, as was posed to me, Cook and I discuss which was the less ethical act. And is it that easy?

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<p>Brian Cook of <a href="http://mgoblog.com" target="_blank">MGoBlog</a> and The Sporting Blog was on a panel at Blogs with Balls in Chicago. It was not the panel on ethics, but if you watch the video, his voice makes a cameo somewhere after Spencer Hall got into a little blog tete-a-tete with The Big Lead&#8217;s Jason McIntyre. That&#8217;s at the 24:00 mark (or thereabouts).</p>
<p><img class="alignright" style="margin: 10px;" title="BWB" src="http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4048/4679441894_04347df5e6.jpg" alt="" width="280" height="210" />Seriously, <a href="http://www.justin.tv/blogswithballs/b/264790409#r=YFqvBAE~&amp;s=li" target="_blank">watch the exchange between Jason and Spencer</a>, which spills into the rest of the panel and includes others in the crowd (including Cook). It will give you some context. Or, go to <a href="http://mgoblog.com/content/blogs-balls-3-big-leadedsbs-throwdown-transcript" target="_blank">MGoBlog as Cook transcribed the entire thing</a>.</p>
<p>Look, ethics are somewhat of a sliding scale, depending on the site, right? See, there are different kind of ethics. Spencer challenged McIntyre for his lack of ethics in checking sources and running a story based on a made up email and a cursory Google search on April Fool&#8217;s Day. Spencer claims that illustrates The Big Lead&#8217;s lack of ethics in checking sources and being a responsible journalist, making the case that other sites &#8212; like SB Nation &#8212; suffer when bigger blogs act so irresponsibly.</p>
<p>Cook and I discuss the flip side, as well. I got an email (from someone in the industry) asking me if I thought what SPENCER did was ethical at all? He made up a story and sent it to a rival site in hopes that story would be run, then used the ruse to prove his point that the site was unethical.</p>
<p>So, as was posed to me, Cook and I discuss which was the less ethical act. And is it that easy?</p>
<p>Much of our conversation branches off of Alana G&#8217;s comment on the panel that blogs should be able to write whatever they want as long as they explain it could, in actuality, be a made up story. Whatever gets you pageviews, she explained.</p>
<p>That. Is. Insane.</p>
<p>She told Josh Zerkle that if he thought it would drive traffic he should have run a story about an NFL player&#8217;s personal life that was sent in, but he didn&#8217;t have time to check the source or do his own follow-up. All he had to do was explain it could be made up, she offered. As Cook points out, that&#8217;s about as unethical as you can come off on a panel about blog ethics.</p>
<p>To be fair, Alana has written a recap of her comments and some clarifications. Please read them on here site, <a href="http://alanag.yardbarker.com/blog/AlanaG/I_raped_the_Blogs_With_Balls_legalethics_panel_allegedly/2705995" target="_blank">by clicking here</a>.</p>
<p><img class="alignright" style="margin: 10px;" title="Cavs" src="http://www.waitingfornextyear.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/delonte_lebron.jpg" alt="" width="216" height="339" />Again, it all goes back to what your audience expects and what you feel your responsibility is. Does Gawker care if Deadspin posts a story that is factually inaccurate or just care that it collected a million eyeballs? Is it okay that TBL decided a gossipy story about Mark Sanchez and who he was dating was worth posting based on an email and no fact checking because, as he put it, it was a Tuesday (note: it was actually a Thursday)? Is it okay that Sports By Brooks posted countless images of Steve McNair&#8217;s scantily-clad mistress AFTER the murder-suicide?</p>
<p>We also talk about the responsibility of writing about an internet rumor that&#8217;s not true, even if you write &#8220;this is not true.&#8221; It&#8217;s one thing in the case of LeBron James&#8217;s mom and Delonte West, but when Deadspin wrote about the rumor going around Villanova&#8217;s basketball team that had similar implications, wasn&#8217;t the sheer act of debunking it actually spreading the rumor to far more eyes than would have ever seen it in the first place? To some, the &#8220;this isn&#8217;t true&#8221; is muted by the &#8220;hey look at this.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just those sites, but an argument that Spencer used against TBL and Cook explained on this show is that the bigger houses DO affect the property value for the rest of the neighborhood. If people don&#8217;t trust or respect the biggest blogs around, how will the average person be expected to trust what the smaller ones write?</p>
<p>Ultimately, Cook&#8217;s point &#8212; and the genesis of him coming on the show &#8212; is simple: athletes are people, so no matter what the story is, you might want to make sure it&#8217;s true before you go and ruin their lives. That, on its base, seems pretty ethical.</p>
<p>As always, there&#8217;s more to this show. You&#8217;ll have to listen to hear it all.</p>
<h2>HOUSEKEEPING:</h2>
<p>One quick five minute rant about how Stephen A. Smith is so out of touch it&#8217;s mind-boggling to imagine he has as many jobs as he does. He Tweeted today that his show on Fox Sports Radio would touch on Bryce Harper getting drafted. This is what SAS wrote:</p>
<blockquote><p>I&#8217;m up starting my day everyone. Raring to go. Heading to Boston for Game 3 of the NBA Finals today. Not before the Stephen A. Smith Show though. On the docket: NBA Finals. Strasburg debuts for the Nationals. And this kid Bryce Harper. Draft No. 1 in MLB Draft. Skipped 2 yrs of H.S. to get his GED so he could ultimately play college and pro ball earlier and NO ONE SAYS ANYTHING??? What the Hell is that??? <a rel="bookmark" href="http://twitter.com/stephenasmith/status/15697417821">about 2 hours ago</a> via web</p></blockquote>
<p>I replied, as did others, that EVERYONE was talking about that when it happened. It was, in fact, a HUGE STORY. Every sports pundit in America had an opinion on what this meant for the future of college sports and high school sports and, heck, down to the pee wee leagues. This was THE story for a while.</p>
<p>Of course, SAS backed off, suggesting that he knew it was a big story, he was just debating whether or not it was HOTLY DEBATED. Guess what, Stephen A? It was. If you think otherwise, you weren&#8217;t paying attention.</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;s right&#8230;you weren&#8217;t paying attention. Of course his plan is to use the fact, in his mind, that nobody was talking about it (when everyone was) to claim that if it were a black kid (which it wasn&#8217;t) everyone would have been talking about it (which they were, but he wasn&#8217;t paying attention). And, as he writes, &#8220;Of course, I&#8217;ll get accused of being the race-baiter instead of pointing out something so flagrantly obvious.&#8221; (Which he is.)</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll tell you what..something about this is flagrantly obvious, that&#8217;s for sure.</p>
<p>Thanks for listening.</p>
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		<title>DL382: Don Povia on Blogs with Balls 3 &amp; The Current State of &#8220;Independent&#8221; Media</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Dan Levy</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is show two of two today. No show tomorrow. Don Povia from HHR and Blogs with Balls joins the show to plug the event this weekend at Wrigley Field in Chicago. We run through a brief list of some of the panels and panelists making the trip to Chicago. For those not in attendance we -- yes, I am not going this weekend -- can watch on Justin.TV

<a href="http://blogswithballs.com/" target="_blank"><img class="alignright" style="margin: 10px;" title="BWB" src="http://blogswithballs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/bwb3_PG_500c.png" alt="" width="347" height="438" /></a>Check out <a href="http://blogswithballs.com/" target="_blank">Blogs with Balls official site</a> for more information.

The conversation looks back at the last year from the first BwB until now. What's changed, and exactly how pie-in-the-sky were we last year? Or, looking back, were we dead on with our future projections of new media, social media and sports blogs?

I'll admit, there is a lot of inside blog stuff about this show, and much of it stems from the conversation on yesterday's show about The Big Lead getting The Big Buyout. Will that dominate the talk at BwB? And how much do we expect that news to change anything for anyone else?

There's a lot to this conversation, and assuredly, some frank conversations about a lot of the bigger names and bigger sites in our little world.

Make sure to check out the BwB site before Saturday. And after Saturday for whatever videos and other stuff you missed.

<a href="http://onthedlpodcast.com/2010/06/dl382-don-povia/">Click here to listen</a>.]]></description>
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<p>This is show two of two today. No show tomorrow. Don Povia from HHR and Blogs with Balls joins the show to plug the event this weekend at Wrigley Field in Chicago. We run through a brief list of some of the panels and panelists making the trip to Chicago. For those not in attendance we &#8212; yes, I am not going this weekend &#8212; can watch on Justin.TV</p>
<p><a href="http://blogswithballs.com/" target="_blank"><img class="alignright" style="margin: 10px;" title="BWB" src="http://blogswithballs.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/bwb3_PG_500c.png" alt="" width="347" height="438" /></a>Check out <a href="http://blogswithballs.com/" target="_blank">Blogs with Balls official site</a> for more information.</p>
<p>The conversation looks back at the last year from the first BwB until now. What&#8217;s changed, and exactly how pie-in-the-sky were we last year? Or, looking back, were we dead on with our future projections of new media, social media and sports blogs?</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll admit, there is a lot of inside blog stuff about this show, and much of it stems from the conversation on yesterday&#8217;s show about The Big Lead getting The Big Buyout. Will that dominate the talk at BwB? And how much do we expect that news to change anything for anyone else?</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a lot to this conversation, and assuredly, some frank conversations about a lot of the bigger names and bigger sites in our little world.</p>
<p>Make sure to check out the BwB site before Saturday. And after Saturday for whatever videos and other stuff you missed.</p>
<p>Thanks for listening.</p>
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